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    Post by fabman1 on Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:20 pm

    MiShel wrote:I have chillbumps listening to Dr. G's testimony!!!!!

    She played Caylee's voice & Angel today...Thank you Lord for her!

    I am a true Dr. G. fan!!!!!


    I have always been, even before all this, she has always spoken for the dead, or let the dead speak for themselves


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    Post by MiShel on Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:21 pm

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    WTH kind of drawing is this????
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    Post by fabman1 on Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:22 pm

    MiShel wrote:
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    from Websleuths lol

    WTH kind of drawing is this????

    You missed it....Its an oyster giving birth to a manible(note bozo spelling)
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    Post by MiShel on Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:23 pm

    Yes Davey D!!!! Dr. G gets so in depth about a deceased until that cause is solved completely.

    Behind a bit, had to go out a few today...I am still sitting in awe at her brilliance & leadership she played today.
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    Post by fabman1 on Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:24 pm

    MiShel wrote:Yes Davey D!!!! Dr. G gets so in depth about a deceased until that cause is solved completely.

    Behind a bit, had to go out a few today...I am still sitting in awe at her brilliance & leadership she played today.

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    And I also noticed when mason would try to interrupt her, she just kept on answering his questions. Forever Friends - Page 20 359622
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    Post by MiShel on Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:26 pm

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    OMYWORD!!!! no more words left for Bozo...

    Geez, Casey looks awful, worse than a corpse...like that creepy old man that played in Poltergeist 3...Forever Friends - Page 20 Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTh18tf03iNqNzEN10AQtUIrPufu0G-3C27Zv4CROVmpI7JNG7J
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    Post by MiShel on Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:27 pm

    Casey is going from baboon to this!

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    Post by fabman1 on Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:29 pm

    MiShel wrote:Casey is going from baboon to this!

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    I said earlier she is morphing into a different life form affraid
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    Post by MiShel on Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:29 pm

    I loved it!!! Dr. G was not dare going to let Mason degrade who she is....after Bozo & or Mason...on an interview before trial called Dr. G a quake...TTTTSSSSSSSSTTTTT
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    Post by MiShel on Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:30 pm

    You're not kidding!

    Sorry, I haven't yet got to read back every post since this morning...had to serve ice cream sundaes at school...a little whacky right now..LOL
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    Post by MiShel on Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:31 pm

    Maybe they do have casey on meds, looking like a druggy...life sucked to a corpse.
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    Post by MiShel on Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:34 pm

    Need to take care of the gang a bit...BBL...for sure in the a.m.

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    Got a lot of catching up to this evening...
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    Post by fabman1 on Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:38 pm

    MiShel wrote:You're not kidding!

    Sorry, I haven't yet got to read back every post since this morning...had to serve ice cream sundaes at school...a little whacky right now..LOL

    Its all good Miss Michele! hope you had a good time, we'll keep you up to speed. Never miss a good moment with your children. Mine are slowly diminishing as Michelle ages. I'm sure you know this from your eldest! I hang on to every second I can!!!! Very Happy
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    Post by DALEY on Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:10 am

    Good Morning Gang...up, having coffee, but not feeling good..literally woke tired!!
    foresnsic entomologist..bugs..yuck on the stand.
    and pouty-face isn't crying yet..


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    Post by fabman1 on Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:16 am

    DALEY wrote:Good Morning Gang...up, having coffee, but not feeling good..literally woke tired!!
    foresnsic entomologist..bugs..yuck on the stand.
    and pouty-face isn't crying yet..

    Morning Miss Dale! Sorry your'e not feeling well
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    Post by DALEY on Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:19 am

    George and Cindy back in court room.


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    Post by DALEY on Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:22 am

    fabman1 wrote:
    DALEY wrote:Good Morning Gang...up, having coffee, but not feeling good..literally woke tired!!
    foresnsic entomologist..bugs..yuck on the stand.
    and pouty-face isn't crying yet..

    Morning Miss Dale! Sorry your'e not feeling well

    Morning Captn Dave!! Oh I'll be fine, just very tired..now we r on to flys..100s of flys in Casey's car trunk..how in hell is the defense going to try and get her out of this...NOTHING goes along with their damn story about drowning.........


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    Post by DALEY on Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:23 am

    Haskell says the flies match a scenario if a body was in the trunk and then taken out.


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    Post by Ribbon on Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:35 am

    Where's Kaci?????
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    Post by Ribbon on Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:36 am

    Dale call...somethings not right.... her I have to get ready for cleaning 2 cottages...
    just in from work cleaning stalls and grooming
    gonna catch up on this fly expert


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    Post by DALEY on Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:50 am

    Oh no..bozo has his tablet again!!!!!!!!


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    Post by fabman1 on Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:51 am

    OH NO! bozo has his easel set up again, hope he doesn't make an attemt at drawing Shocked
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    Post by Ribbon on Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:55 am

    WS
    "Today JB thinks he is Lord of the Flies since he can properly pronounce one species. Wonder how long he practiced that last night? "
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    Post by DALEY on Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:01 am

    Dy has to clean cottage this AM..will be gone for a few hours, so Davey we have to keep up to date with the bugs!1


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    Post by DALEY on Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:04 am

    eeeewwwww Davey!!!Forever Friends - Page 20 Larvae_by_Mr__Jack-1


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    Post by Ribbon on Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:04 am

    Wow WenWw4 is good on WS does that steno stuff here it isDr. Neal Haskell - entomologist (bug expert)


    Ford flies are very tiny 1mm - 4mm in length we would call them gnats or gnat size flies, get thru very small openings ....recovered them under concrete with ajust a few cracks - devloped larvae or adults.......come a little later in decomp.....found absence in the first decomp flies (object-.....finish asking question) object- leading -overrule the very first decomp flies were gone and these little tenacious flies got in later....blow flies very early flies - they are pretty tenacious - depends junk rusty old car vs newer car wi th not so many holes.....wrap a body in plastic bag or 2 hinder flies? absolutely! he has done experiments - if plastic bag is closed tight - delay body to point blow flies were no longer interested and went someplace else....no other bugs from trunk sent....come to opinion or estimate of amt of time body with decomposing material in the trunk of the car.....source of decomp fluids in the trunk could not have been in there very long due to heat of FL ....had to be out of trunk by time abandon vehicle... .made estimate of 3, 4, or 5 days enough purged fluid ....enough to attract ford flies to the trunk - heat significance? insects are cold blooded creatures - dependent upon environment temperatures...if warm drive enzymes to work fast....very rapid growth....cold slows it or if too cold - stops growth of maggots or puparia......
    At some point - Nov or Dec. 2008 - arranged to come to FL to inspect vehicle ....around that time found surprising news - remains had been found....already had plane tickets and came down for a few days on 12/16...they were processing the scene 11th and on...I felt no rush to come - planned to do what we had planned and other things.....bug evidence ...travel to scene and inspect area and impound yard - vehicle had been impounded (tow yard)....go to ME office and examine evidence found with remains and made collections ....took specimines from scene and ME office...examined those items....

    entomological evidence - chain custody....what sample looking @ in sample vials....protocols established 25 years ago....microscopic exam of specimine...ID at least some level - groups or levels....relate that species or group identification.....known growth rate for that species....then do analysis and write up based on how long those insect specimine on those remains.....decomp and insects are temperature dependent - enzymes are temp. dependent.....carry and placed in remains.....ME and scene species that was expected on advanced decomp remains - found few blowfly puparia - cocoons....2 species blow fly, housefly relatives group 2 or 3 there, real long grower - soldier fly.....all past the end growth and development hatched out - found puparia hundreds and thousands years old - so they can last long time.....all insect remains found tell story how got there, how long been there....clear thru life cycles all specimines....couldn't have been much earlier than minimum time suggested...


    body placed there quickly after death or delay? from scene - large #'s of blow flies....most likely initial placement that excluded these right out off the bat....should have seen thousands of blow fly puparia - did not find that...

    decomp in the trunk - megaselius scolaris ....how far along body was in decomp when placed....initial decomp .....

    no question body had been out there many many months....June and or early July....body deposited there as a skeleton? few blow flies there - we did not have skeletal remains when placed there - body partially decomposed purging fluids bloat realm, still considerable soft tissue....findings @ scene and findings in car tell consistent story....

    decomp had begun - early colonizers .....body not in trunk very long ....due to progression ....body was placed out....could have been placed out where it was found....

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    Post by Ribbon on Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:06 am

    Continues....

    Cross-exam

    JB w/NH....back to beginning of this case...first knowledge(missed a little)

    Michael vincent had seen fruit flies came out of car....coffin flies...Dr. Vass and he are old buddies...go back to the body farm years ago......he is bio=chemist? knew he was anthropologist...he was studying anthropology....do you recall testify he was bio-chemist(object-sustained).....statements made to dr. Vass these were possibly coffin flies....subsequent to that dr. Vass gave your name to OC? I don't remember.....take findings from beginning....copy of report 8/28 report....first received something....understand you received items from trash bag in trunk of car....not from the trunk but from trash....fording fly - gnat type flies - very tiny - look like fruit flies....leftovers left in car....gnat like ---don't think leftovers that is processed food.....something left in the car see fruit flies....if we are talking trash vs. garbage.....magnaselius scolaris.....found in decompose eats anything....rotting seaweed, decomp vegetable material....insects rotting, find it about anywhere.....

    even in report - these flies also found in trash bag....find in garbage and trash bags ...asked CSI vincent to get a 2nd....wanted adult flies to be more scientific and more precise....he checked trunk - turned up negative results -he got the trash bag package that was sealed and NH opened it.....he sent trash and found adults making it possible to identify species....paper towels ford specimines were found....high numbers of these specimines on papertowels....dna can be from any cell material other than red blood cells....in fact dna from some insects....extract human dna from mosquitos, lice, dead maggots....paper towel sent for dna analysis? don't know - NH requested bio-chemistry analysis - sent to Dr. Vass - old trusted colleague...familiar with what he did to determine it was adipocere - trusted him to do right test.....can't tell what exams (I can testify intelligently! but that i don't know! = sir not trying to insult you..



    subsequent paper towels....blow fly leg.......blow fly #1 most prominent for early decomp....find in them in your house.....trash or garbage....unprocessed meat in the garbage.....on window sill if don't clean....houses will have some blow flies in it....look for large number ? look for one or for thousands....decomp. body lay 300 - 400 eggs....tens of thousands of maggots.....in trash bag - found a leg....that is not unheard of to find blowfly part of one or no one in trash or garbage - not unheard of.....

    this is everything from bug from the car......later he examined filters from vac. cleaners trunk of the car....there were some foreward flies (ford flies?) ....




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    Post by Ribbon on Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:06 am

    Poor baby
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    Post by DALEY on Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:13 am

    Baez is trying to prove that ANY insect was part of the trash....ya right


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    Post by Ribbon on Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:19 am

    22 - 23 thousand paid today He sent Jose a bill hasn't gotten paid yet lol
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    Post by Ribbon on Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:20 am

    150 hour travel 200 for prep and 400 for testimony
    were in the wrong field
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    Post by Ribbon on Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:21 am

    gotta go and clean please someone highlight good stuff someone call sue please
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    Post by fabman1 on Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:24 am

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    Post by DALEY on Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:33 am

    I am worried about Sue..hope she is alright....I know she has been very busy at work, but thought we would see her today...

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    Post by DALEY on Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:13 am

    Hasn't started yet..everyone is behind closed door! I did notice that George and Cindy r in court with their lawyer..hummmmm


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